How Long Does It Take for Enemies to Become Unalerted Again Warframe

Okay DE, I've gathered some of my thoughts and here are a few suggestions I'd like to make to perhaps meliorate the stealth run experience. (because currently, information technology's nigh impossible to have a most perfect stealth run with annihilation other than an Ash or a Loki < Which is not absurd, in my stance)

-Reduce the range that shouts can travel. Currently 25m is a huge range, commonly it encompasses an entire tile plus a bit of adjacent tiles. It feels wrong equally i. we now take reverb sounds in the game, so the farther abroad you are, the less likely you lot are to hear the sounds source, and 2. sometimes at that place will be a few enemies(a team) on the opposite end of the room and you won't know they are there, and due to the change in sounds, if I couldn't hear the enemies from that distance, neither should they. I won't throw out any actually numbers equally that usually gets people upset, simply in my adjacent suggestion, the screenshot'south I'll provide might give a good idea of how far sounds should travel.

-Foreclose sounds from traveling through closed doors.This is i of the nearly annoying things. Enemies volition come up from dead end tiles(at the reverse stop of the room yous're in, or simply in a far away dead terminate tile) charging into the room to come after you lot when one sees y'all and 'shouts'. I but don't think that audio would travel through the doors in this game. Most seem like bulkheads every bit they are able to keep rooms around one that is depressurized from depressurizing. I simply find it really difficult to believe that a shout, especially one from the opposite end of the room, can conspicuously exist heard on the reverse side of a closed bulkhead door.

-Reduce the range in which gunshot sounds travel. I know, I know, earlier I said I was fine with how far gunfire sound traveled to alert enemies. But after playing yet another Grineer spy mission, I noticed that via reverb sounds, I wasn't always able to hear the muzzle audio from the Grakata's being fired at me. Now, perchance the reverb arrangement needs a tweak, merely I'm just going to suggest the altitude at which the sound travels be reduced. Here are a couple of screenshots describing what I'm getting at:

I told a half truth. I don't have the screens yet, imgur is being super slow and the images won't upload then I'll go them up here as soon as they are uploaded, since steam images can't actually be used on these forums for some reason.I have the images, here:

In this case, the lancer that has the red foursquare around him, as well as the guy adjacent to him(in my crosshair), I could simply hear the bullets striking my shields or the ground around me. I couldn't really hear the gun firing.

Similar instance here, simply with a ballisitca(and surprisingly much closer) The audio of the ballistica'due south rifle firing was aural, but but barely. At present, maybe this speaks more for reverb sounds needing an improvement/adjustment, but I feel that information technology gives more than support for changing the distances at which sounds travel for enemies.

-Make the regular tiles in all tile sets more than stealth friendly. What I'm getting at here is how the vault rooms are laid out. I love the alternative paths that are bachelor to reach your objective and I love how you tin very easily bypass enemies. Now this change doesn't only really require a visual update to the tiles but also changes to enemies as well, things such as spawn rates, positioning, pathing, and fifty-fifty how scaling works(which is a touchy discipline) to permit less enemies to spawn simply still be challenging at [X] planets level.(I have a few ideas for this but volition hold my tounge as information technology is more appropriate to put into it's own thread) This alter, while I'd similar to meet information technology happen, I don't actually look because of the work information technology entails to go back and basically redo all the current tiles in the game.

-Likewise, please, please, please, I beg of you to have a look at the current enemy pathing in the game(by actually playing the game, not just looking at lawmaking. I'k NOT maxim that y'all don't play your own game on the electric current build vs. the dev build, but as a player(only), I feel I'm experiencing the results of the coding and the hiccups(?) information technology has, and something only feels off). Sometimes enemies all cluster around a node that is supposed to make them stop and stand in that location, and that sometimes makes information technology difficult to get around and also messes with their fields of vision(example being I could impale a lancer as the ane adjacent to him is looking straight at him, and he is non alerted whatsoever). Other times it makes their movements also erratic. I've had a few instances where I've watched an enemies patrol pattern, memorize it to exist able to take them out without being seen, only to take them turn around for some odd reason right earlier I'thou in range to melee them, and end upwards getting spotted. In that location just isn't whatever existent control over when things happen while trying to stealth out a mission in this game yet.

Totally concur with this. Irresolute this mechanic volition let a less random stealth experience and give us more than command (which you lot need in stealth) over when something happens.

This might also help in the whole, enemies only swap to different encompass, instead of picking a spot and shooting at me phenomenon, or just the erratic movement they posses when seeking cover, etc.

Those are all I accept right now, I will likely add together more if I recollect of them. I also think that these changes would greatly improve stealth gameplay(aside from the main points made throughout the thread nigh enemy A.I. behavior and warning states) equally currently I see information technology being near incommunicable to have a perfect, or in some cases even a adept, stealth run without Loki or Ash(considering of the invisibility) or running specific mods for the warframes, such every bit enemy radar/enemy sense, sprinting mods(to assist with blocking and motion, so you are less probable to be seen and can close distances faster), silencing mods for weapons, etc.

Edit: Got the images. Found out imgur installed an anti-bot upload mechanism.

Also, another thought.

- Fix or alter enemy LoS(their cone of vision) and hearing. Currently information technology feels like enemies are able to hear better when alerted(small-scale or high alert state) and information technology feels unfair. I tin can get wihin 15m of an apporaching enemy and not be seen when they are unalerted, simply not when they are in a minor alarm state. That merely doesn't seem right. The enemies are either blind and deaf, or they have hawk-heart vision and supersonic hearing.

-Melee enemies hitting you(Butcher, Scorpion - both her machete and hook, Flameblade, Prodman) should not warning nearby troopers to your presence. Especially when they don't speak and only swing their weapons. If our blade strikes are silent, theirs should exist too.

-Sentinels could use a axiom mod that prevents them from using whatever of their default precepts that tin can alert enemies to your presence(Crowd Dispersion/Warrior, Revenge, Striker, etc.) until the enemies are in a high alarm state, or when the alarms are turned on/room is on lockdown(have to be careful with the lockdown as stalker causes a lockdown and broken windows also cause a lockdown) and sentinels would need to exist able to know  when warning states alter(or when alarms go off).

Edited February 27, 2015 by GhostSwordsman

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